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Post by crashkart7 on Sept 23, 2008 22:21:54 GMT -5
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Post by gordo on Sept 23, 2008 23:45:15 GMT -5
I remember listening to an interview with Alice Cooper where he described getting a call from his record company saying that they had just won a copyright infringement case against KISS for blatantly ripping off a Cooper song. Alice said that he had no idea there even was a case and didn't care anyway. The best part was... when he got the call Alice was sitting on a tropical beach patio talking with Paul Stanley who also had no idea there was an issue between the two record companies.
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Post by magnoodles on Sept 24, 2008 19:11:33 GMT -5
I'd suggest finding the recording of the "Ongoing History of New Music" with Alan Cross, he did a show about Coincidental Sonic Similarities. YES some bands do purposely use the same beat/guitar riff/sound from other music, HOWEVER you must realize that in music, and on certain mediums (such as the guitar or drums) there are only so many combinations of the notes you can put together so there are BOUND to be similarities. Theres an instance where a UK band had produced a near exact copy of a song written by a North American band, they were sued without even knowing they'd reproduced that music. They never heard that song before writing their own. They ended up paying royalties on their new hit (No names were given in the episode hence why I'm being so vague). When I find the link. I'll post it. COMPLETELY disagree... It's not just a matter of "hmm... we only have 12 notes to work with". You've got diatonic, pentatonic, chromatic scales; you can work with dischordant melodies & flip-flops back and forth between majors & minors, and bringing in 7ths and 9ths or whatever... and when you throw in the aspect of incorporating whatever time signature you want (which people never do), the possibilities ARE infinite. We humans have just gotten really fucking lazy when it comes to composition. But some of us haven't. There ARE people pushing the envelope and doing truely new & incredible things (both in terms of rhythm/structure/timing & melody). Get the dimtwit bass player from U2 to play along with this:
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Post by magnoodles on Sept 24, 2008 19:20:18 GMT -5
I remember listening to an interview with Alice Cooper where he described getting a call from his record company saying that they had just won a copyright infringement case against KISS for blatantly ripping off a Cooper song. Alice said that he had no idea there even was a case and didn't care anyway. The best part was... when he got the call Alice was sitting on a tropical beach patio talking with Paul Stanley who also had no idea there was an issue between the two record companies. Funny you should mention him : 00?www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqAByBui7bg <--- click on it; bastards disabled embedding
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Post by Emanuel Melo on Sept 25, 2008 12:06:19 GMT -5
I'm fascinated by this thread. Musical similarities are so abundant.
The Led Zeppelin thing really pissed me off when I first discovered it when Howard Stern had this author guy on there discussing similarities in music. I lost a ton of respect for Zeppelin that day. Stairway to Heaven is arguably the greatest rock song ever written and it was stolen from a band named "Spirit" who wrote the song "Taurus" in 1969. I always thought Jimmy Page was over rated but that sealed the deal on that. Besides, have you guys actually watched the film "The Song Remains the Same"? Sounds like fuckin shit!
The Kiss tune Cooper was referring to was "Dreamin'" of 1998's Pschyo Circus". The story I heard was that Kiss had contacted Alice due to the blatant similarities to his tune "Eighteen" and worked out a deal. Mind you the version of the story I heard came from the Kiss camp and they have been known to twist truth to benefitthem. Here's the Kiss tune:
While looking for the above tune I stumbled across this tune which sounds similar to me but I can't place it, sounds like a Soundgarden tune:
Even the oldest rock band in the world the Rolling Stones had some trouble staying original in the latter part of their career. Having to borrow from a certain well known Canadian lesbo country artist: FF to 1:18:
Original:
The Stones actually realized just how close the chorus melody was and gave Lang a writing credit when the Rolling Stones single appeared on their 1997 album "Bridges to Babylon"
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Post by magnoodles on Sept 25, 2008 13:06:12 GMT -5
Ah! Good one Me(at)lo(af)!
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Post by Emanuel Melo on Sept 25, 2008 15:58:23 GMT -5
One of my favourites is when Gene Simmons actually ripped himself off, so to speak. In 1986, Gene produced a band named Black n' Blue and co-wrote the debut album's title track "Nasty Nasty". Seven years later, Gene seemed to be losing in originality and wrote a tune that was one of the biggest singles off the "Revenge" album. The riff is very obvious.
For trivia buffs, Black n' Blue's guitarist Tommy Thayer is now playing the part of "Ace" when Kiss has played live in the last few years. Kinda makes me embarrassed to be a KISS fan sometimes.
Black n' Blue's "Nasty Nasty" - 1986:
Gene's re-write in 1992 (Ripped off Riff at around :14):
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Post by Rory on Sept 25, 2008 16:04:53 GMT -5
Mags I have to say that, on some of them you were dead on but others not so much. See here's the problem. I don't know how old you are or what your musical background may be. Perhaps you're just a music listener which is cool. But I believe it is a university out in Cali that has offered a million dollars for an original song. They know this will never be won because apparently since 1972 every variation of chord sequencing has been done. I've been playing the guitar 22 years and haven't found a new set. So like they say in wrestling, what is old will be new again. I do agree however that there isn't enough imagination used these days but that's because it's mostly kids buying the music that dictates who's where in the charts. But saying genres are unimportant is crazy...lol. That's like saying there's only good food and bad food, good wrestling and bad wrestling, good sex and bad sex. It's all taste mate. For the record ladies, I'm always GOOD sex:)
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Post by buryme on Sept 25, 2008 18:53:43 GMT -5
Original song? They must have never heard of The Mars Volta... Now that's an original band. Mags everythings a copy hell even cd covers have been copied and there are clearly so blantly done.
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Post by magnoodles on Sept 25, 2008 22:55:52 GMT -5
Mags I have to say that, on some of them you were dead on but others not so much. See here's the problem. I don't know how old you are or what your musical background may be. Perhaps you're just a music listener which is cool. But I believe it is a university out in Cali that has offered a million dollars for an original song. They know this will never be won because apparently since 1972 every variation of chord sequencing has been done. I've been playing the guitar 22 years and haven't found a new set. So like they say in wrestling, what is old will be new again. I do agree however that there isn't enough imagination used these days but that's because it's mostly kids buying the music that dictates who's where in the charts. But saying genres are unimportant is crazy...lol. That's like saying there's only good food and bad food, good wrestling and bad wrestling, good sex and bad sex. It's all taste mate. For the record ladies, I'm always GOOD sex:) BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!! I just spent the past goddamn hour retorting, lol... and then my computer froze, or freaked out, or... SOMETHING! SHIT!!! (I guess I should just be happy I wasn't working on some final thesis paper or something, huh?) DAMN that's frustrating!!! SHIT. I had, like, 467 paragraphs down!!! URGH! Anywho... Said you haven't found anything new in 22 years? Quick answer? Try a different tuning. None of your scales or chord fingerings are relevant anymore. It's like a whole new sonic vista opens up. SHIT. BAAARRRRGHHHHHH!!! I ain't gonna re-type this whole thing again now. Or ever. Let's do lunch Rory. We'll talk music. I'll have you converted. We'll talk time signatures; polyrhythmic stuff... Thing is... Whether with wrestling, or with music; wherever you are in history, people always think "what else is there left to do?". People thought that Savage taking a back body over the top at WrestleMania III was the craziest shit ever. Now it happens in the opening match on an indy show--twice--and nobody pops for it. Just look at the crazy shit guys do NOW, compared to 20 years ago. And then back in the day, people though Keith Moon was the cat's pajamas. But shit always evolves and progresses. Even when you think there's nowhere else to go, and everything's been done. And back in the day, Keith Moon WAS the man. But transport him forward in time, and he wouldn't even be fit to shine Tomas Haake's drumsticks: Music is rhythm and melody, no? Beats and notes. If everything's been done already, then why the heck is 99.9% of everything on radio in 3/4 or 4/4?! (Two popular exceptions would be Peter Gabriel's "Salisbury Hill" and Pink Floyd's "Money", both of which are in 7/4.) There is SOOOOO much more out there! We're just too lazy/comfortable to bother trying to break away from our 4/4 "Row, Row, Row Your Boat" mentality that's been ingrained into our brainz since we were two years old. Let's freakin' PUSH ourselves a bit! Artistic creativity is one of the few redeeming qualities we disgusting humanoids have! You want to prove to yourself (Rory) that there's infinite possibility out there, as far as the future of music? Tune your guitar to E-C-D-F-A-D, and spend an afternoon allowing yourself to play in ONLY 5/4 or 9/8. Then jam along with this dorkwad and his lame-ass riff: Shit! I wasn't gonna re-do this whole babble-fest again. So I'm not. ANYwho... I better go eat before I kill someone. Or I better go kill someone before I eat? MagnoResume-played guitar for 18 years -played piano for 26 years -went to school for Recording Engineering -builds guitars
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Post by magnoodles on Sept 25, 2008 23:00:42 GMT -5
They must have never heard of The Mars Volta... Now that's an original band. Mags everythings a copy hell even cd covers have been copied and there are clearly so blantly done. Didn't you just say one thing, then just say the complete opposite? But yeah, Mars Volta's good. First time I heard The Widow, I thought it was a new Heart song though, lol:
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Post by Sugar Shane on Sept 26, 2008 0:34:16 GMT -5
But yeah, Mars Volta's good. First time I heard The Widow, I thought it was a new Heart song though, lol: Hahaha... glad to read I wasn't the only one who thought this. I've always been partial to 'Concertina' by them, but 'Wax Simulcra' off of their most recent album was a bit more mainstream.
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Post by buryme on Sept 26, 2008 6:58:35 GMT -5
They must have never heard of The Mars Volta... Now that's an original band. Mags everythings a copy hell even cd covers have been copied and there are clearly so blantly done. Didn't you just say one thing, then just say the complete opposite? But yeah, Mars Volta's good. First time I heard The Widow, I thought it was a new Heart song though, lol: Uhhh as far as I know no....Lol I just made one other post other than that one. Everything is copied these days or it's generic as hell.
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Post by Rory on Sept 26, 2008 13:32:07 GMT -5
I've done it all mate, thing is, like wrestling, it's all been done. All you can do is find a fresh way to do it again. A band can bring a fresh soud, sure it can. But it's only fresh because we've been listening to the same shit for years, nothing they are doing is new at all. I also have had the privilage of living in 7 different countries and listening to their music and again, nothing new. tune an instrument any way you want, find a new sequence, tempo, whatever, it's all been done.
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Post by magnoodles on Sept 26, 2008 16:35:58 GMT -5
Well, I very much disagree. And I'm afraid we'll have to leave it at that.
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